blogChat 5.23.02
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22:08:06 patD: Are you awake?
22:30:28 patD: Anyone home?
22:30:39 patD: Is it host or guest?
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22:44:28 brent: changed name 24.112.154.230
22:44:32 brent: ooga booga
22:44:40 patD: Brent - how are you?
22:45:07 brent: trying to overcome some terrible inertia
22:45:15 patD: got some questions for you but first let me finish this cool page I’m posting with Bryan B’s help*
22:45:22 brent: i know I have a zillion things to do, just can’t get motivated to start
22:45:31 brent: coolage.
22:45:34 brent: *
22:45:51 patD: no no - never overcome enertia. embrace it - Hah! it doesn’t work any better than overcoming it???
22:45:58 patD: but you feel better about things.*
22:46:46 patD: check this out http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/delaney/?page_id=39
22:46:52 brent: those dang students - I knew it was AGB to his assistant.
22:47:25 patD: AGB?
22:47:28 patD: *
22:47:40 brent: Alex G Bell
22:48:04 brent: Watson???
22:48:07 brent: *
22:48:22 patD: hah! you were eavesdropping as a librarianAvenger I am obliged to caution you about privacy issues!*
22:48:52 patD: or did you actually read my blog?*
22:49:05 brent: i was reading the blog
22:49:31 patD: oooh - he sighed. are you married? but no???
22:49:44 patD: just kidding and have you looked at that url?*
22:50:05 brent: btw - you know do you that I can make the chat history not include the actual text but just byte counts if you like.
22:50:23 brent: side effect is that you must save from current chat, because the history button becomes rather useless
22:50:33 patD: yes you told me that but in fact teachers are thrilled with the oversight potential in the history COPPA*
22:50:44 brent: yep, looked at the url, nice
22:51:23 brent: nice dept macros
22:51:41 patD: ok just note tho that those depts. News and Events for example headline mini newsItem aggregators! Bryan B. rocks with Manila! and with design!* and now on to some questions?*
22:52:04 patD: this solves the problems of deadlines with middle schoolers???
22:52:12 patD: the two do NOT mix very well*
22:52:31 brent: uh huh
22:53:18 brent: i noticed your sound qu on the laptop.
22:53:26 patD: ques. 1 - what about a nav bar on the chat window side that could list urls posted there only by the host? think about education use*
22:54:02 patD: the chat becomes a tour of sites and the poor teacher / host doesn’t have to constantly cut and paste
22:54:15 patD: (the sound thing is small)*
22:55:27 brent: i see what you mean, thinking???.
22:56:35 patD: while you are thinking???
22:56:49 brent: would it be a fairly static list or dynamically built during the chat?
22:57:34 patD: ques. 2 -how feasible is it to envision multiple chats hosted on one isp? here’s what happened today at mlk when I typed in the chat code???
22:58:12 patD: teachers got excited but then got real afraid (pedophilia-phobia rules even in the non-Catholic world of public education)???
22:59:08 patD: and each and every one of them wanted to be able to control what was going on and yes we could have multiple hosts for one chat???
22:59:22 brent: well, since there’s always an adult moderator, those concerns should be mitigated somewhat
23:00:02 patD: so let’s say there are three teachers hosting a chatroom but that means 75 students in there talking and that is a mess to follow so the first question is how scalable (but in a downward direction) bC could be???
23:00:13 patD: and now back to your thinking about quest. #1*
23:00:49 brent: I don’t think blogchat will scale well to chats over 8 or 10 people
23:00:55 patD: the nav bar list could be static - that would help???
23:01:20 patD: actually it would require teachers to do some preliminary prep which is not a bad thing???
23:01:40 patD: but it might also be nice to be able to insert something in theri by another host. say the chat is ???
23:01:54 patD: being hosted by the teacher and an invited guest, an author???
23:02:13 patD: and suddenly the author remembers a poem he wants to show the class that sits on his website*
23:02:26 brent: could then be a popup accessory page linked off the hosts name - always clickable if host name visible, always pops up to a blog entry that you can easily maintain
23:02:50 patD: very, very cool!!!***!!!!***
23:03:03 patD: bec. this is exactly how albert and I have been using???
23:03:10 brent: with that, no change necessary.
23:03:30 patD: manila pages to discuss during chats only we have to constantly refresh to see what the other has changed on the page.*
23:03:50 brent: you just as host change your url to your ancillary page and then have another window open to manila to modify that page on the fly as necessary
23:04:25 patD: but you say the manila page will open as ancillary within the bC coding?*
23:04:41 brent: you could have self-refresh code on that ancillary page so students could keep it open all the time once they click it.
23:05:04 patD: ooooh - are you married:)*
23:05:21 patD: ugh that is the first time I ever used a smiley face in my entire web life*
23:05:24 brent: no, it’s just like it is now where your host name links to your page, but it would instead link to a page where you have chat-specific scratchpad happening
23:06:36 patD: ok - i am in over my head (I’m am an abecedarianGeek http://radio.weblogs.com/0101172/???
23:07:11 patD: you got the idea and now I bow gracefully back into the library stacks to let the techies work their druidic magic eh? what about ques. #2?
23:07:17 patD: *
23:08:23 brent: back to #2 then - the gist is scalability is it?
23:08:24 patD: whoops - hold on maybe I am not so abecedarian???
23:09:31 patD: I get it I think! it’s not a bC tweak it’s simply telling the hosts and guest to use two windows to take advantage of what bC already offers in the hotLink that is the host’s online name???
23:09:36 patD: do I have that right?*
23:10:07 brent: absofarkinglootely
23:10:40 patD: duh!???
23:10:49 patD: and “absofarkinglootely” and???
23:11:03 patD: gary just turned on bruce springsteen downstairs???
23:11:13 patD: that means a very dull dinner is coming*
23:11:40 patD: on the q. #2 yes it is scalability ???
23:11:56 patD: one of the thing writing project affiliated teachers do all the time???
23:12:12 patD: is try to get education folks to understand that student???
23:12:29 patD: communication in writing has to be REAL like it is tfor the adults who teach them???
23:12:42 patD: and if we take chat as a form of written communication ( at least???
23:13:07 patD: at this techno moment) then students need the same sort of writing ability that an adult would need???
23:13:24 patD: and I have to say that having my own chatroom is awesome and encouraging of writing???
23:13:40 brent: joined (24.112.154.230 CPE0080c6ecdba7.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) )
23:13:42 patD: so the real place we are heading is every student and staff member has a chat room*
23:14:36 brent: that sounds like a you-host-on-your-servers thing in the end, especially with privacy concerns
23:14:42 patD: looks like you left and came back in can you see the history?*
23:15:04 brent: yes I can see enough
23:15:15 patD: yes it is a “on our server” thing but it might be something that goes into your discussion of sales and marketing???
23:15:23 brent: I lost my cookies somehow. s(sounds like i barfed!)
23:15:40 brent: yes, that sort of thing is in our planned second phase
23:15:51 patD: something along the line of what we chatted about a week ago???
23:16:22 patD: when I asked if you guys were going to license the product and we had that exchange about trying to get Manila interested???
23:16:43 patD: btw I talked to Bryan Bell in Kern???
23:17:36 patD: and told him to look out for the e-mail but my guess is that he is swamped so I will look for an opp to actually get him into a chat while he and I talk about the design of some Manila work that he is doing for us???.
23:17:50 patD: i talked to him by phone day before yesterday???.
23:18:15 patD: and realized afterward that having a written transcript would have helped me keep him on task as a consultant*
23:18:56 patD: ques. #3?*
23:19:57 brent: actually, why don;t you give me your number right now and I’ll call you up. i
23:20:14 brent: might as well cover a couple of things
23:21:02 patD: gad from toronto that is a pricey call???
23:21:09 patD: 415-285-6185*
23:21:22 brent: not really, it costs me the same anywhere in north america
23:22:09 patD: cool - we’re not eating (whatever it is) for another 40 minutes*
23:30:34 brent: http://drupal.org
23:35:37 patD: http://www.thelowell.org/index1.html
00:12:12 brent: http://brentashley.manilasites.com/2001/07/26
00:13:44 brent: http://ashleys.megahuge.com
00:36:17 patD: http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/delaney/?page_id=67
00:43:04 patD: http://medweb5.bham.ac.uk/collaboration/
22:08:06 patD: Are you awake?
22:30:28 patD: Anyone home?
22:30:39 patD: Is it host or guest?
22:44:23 : joined (24.112.154.230 CPE0080c6ecdba7.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) )
22:44:28 brent: changed name 24.112.154.230
22:44:32 brent: ooga booga
22:44:40 patD: Brent - how are you?
22:45:07 brent: trying to overcome some terrible inertia
22:45:15 patD: got some questions for you but first let me finish this cool page I’m posting with Bryan B’s help*
22:45:22 brent: i know I have a zillion things to do, just can’t get motivated to start
22:45:31 brent: coolage.
22:45:34 brent: *
22:45:51 patD: no no - never overcome enertia. embrace it - Hah! it doesn’t work any better than overcoming it???
22:45:58 patD: but you feel better about things.*
22:46:46 patD: check this out http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/delaney/?page_id=39
22:46:52 brent: those dang students - I knew it was AGB to his assistant.
22:47:25 patD: AGB?
22:47:28 patD: *
22:47:40 brent: Alex G Bell
22:48:04 brent: Watson???
22:48:07 brent: *
22:48:22 patD: hah! you were eavesdropping as a librarianAvenger I am obliged to caution you about privacy issues!*
22:48:52 patD: or did you actually read my blog?*
22:49:05 brent: i was reading the blog
22:49:31 patD: oooh - he sighed. are you married? but no???
22:49:44 patD: just kidding and have you looked at that url?*
22:50:05 brent: btw - you know do you that I can make the chat history not include the actual text but just byte counts if you like.
22:50:23 brent: side effect is that you must save from current chat, because the history button becomes rather useless
22:50:33 patD: yes you told me that but in fact teachers are thrilled with the oversight potential in the history COPPA*
22:50:44 brent: yep, looked at the url, nice
22:51:23 brent: nice dept macros
22:51:41 patD: ok just note tho that those depts. News and Events for example headline mini newsItem aggregators! Bryan B. rocks with Manila! and with design!* and now on to some questions?*
22:52:04 patD: this solves the problems of deadlines with middle schoolers???
22:52:12 patD: the two do NOT mix very well*
22:52:31 brent: uh huh
22:53:18 brent: i noticed your sound qu on the laptop.
22:53:26 patD: ques. 1 - what about a nav bar on the chat window side that could list urls posted there only by the host? think about education use*
22:54:02 patD: the chat becomes a tour of sites and the poor teacher / host doesn’t have to constantly cut and paste
22:54:15 patD: (the sound thing is small)*
22:55:27 brent: i see what you mean, thinking???.
22:56:35 patD: while you are thinking???
22:56:49 brent: would it be a fairly static list or dynamically built during the chat?
22:57:34 patD: ques. 2 -how feasible is it to envision multiple chats hosted on one isp? here’s what happened today at mlk when I typed in the chat code???
22:58:12 patD: teachers got excited but then got real afraid (pedophilia-phobia rules even in the non-Catholic world of public education)???
22:59:08 patD: and each and every one of them wanted to be able to control what was going on and yes we could have multiple hosts for one chat???
22:59:22 brent: well, since there’s always an adult moderator, those concerns should be mitigated somewhat
23:00:02 patD: so let’s say there are three teachers hosting a chatroom but that means 75 students in there talking and that is a mess to follow so the first question is how scalable (but in a downward direction) bC could be???
23:00:13 patD: and now back to your thinking about quest. #1*
23:00:49 brent: I don’t think blogchat will scale well to chats over 8 or 10 people
23:00:55 patD: the nav bar list could be static - that would help???
23:01:20 patD: actually it would require teachers to do some preliminary prep which is not a bad thing???
23:01:40 patD: but it might also be nice to be able to insert something in theri by another host. say the chat is ???
23:01:54 patD: being hosted by the teacher and an invited guest, an author???
23:02:13 patD: and suddenly the author remembers a poem he wants to show the class that sits on his website*
23:02:26 brent: could then be a popup accessory page linked off the hosts name - always clickable if host name visible, always pops up to a blog entry that you can easily maintain
23:02:50 patD: very, very cool!!!***!!!!***
23:03:03 patD: bec. this is exactly how albert and I have been using???
23:03:10 brent: with that, no change necessary.
23:03:30 patD: manila pages to discuss during chats only we have to constantly refresh to see what the other has changed on the page.*
23:03:50 brent: you just as host change your url to your ancillary page and then have another window open to manila to modify that page on the fly as necessary
23:04:25 patD: but you say the manila page will open as ancillary within the bC coding?*
23:04:41 brent: you could have self-refresh code on that ancillary page so students could keep it open all the time once they click it.
23:05:04 patD: ooooh - are you married:)*
23:05:21 patD: ugh that is the first time I ever used a smiley face in my entire web life*
23:05:24 brent: no, it’s just like it is now where your host name links to your page, but it would instead link to a page where you have chat-specific scratchpad happening
23:06:36 patD: ok - i am in over my head (I’m am an abecedarianGeek http://radio.weblogs.com/0101172/???
23:07:11 patD: you got the idea and now I bow gracefully back into the library stacks to let the techies work their druidic magic eh? what about ques. #2?
23:07:17 patD: *
23:08:23 brent: back to #2 then - the gist is scalability is it?
23:08:24 patD: whoops - hold on maybe I am not so abecedarian???
23:09:31 patD: I get it I think! it’s not a bC tweak it’s simply telling the hosts and guest to use two windows to take advantage of what bC already offers in the hotLink that is the host’s online name???
23:09:36 patD: do I have that right?*
23:10:07 brent: absofarkinglootely
23:10:40 patD: duh!???
23:10:49 patD: and “absofarkinglootely” and???
23:11:03 patD: gary just turned on bruce springsteen downstairs???
23:11:13 patD: that means a very dull dinner is coming*
23:11:40 patD: on the q. #2 yes it is scalability ???
23:11:56 patD: one of the thing writing project affiliated teachers do all the time???
23:12:12 patD: is try to get education folks to understand that student???
23:12:29 patD: communication in writing has to be REAL like it is tfor the adults who teach them???
23:12:42 patD: and if we take chat as a form of written communication ( at least???
23:13:07 patD: at this techno moment) then students need the same sort of writing ability that an adult would need???
23:13:24 patD: and I have to say that having my own chatroom is awesome and encouraging of writing???
23:13:40 brent: joined (24.112.154.230 CPE0080c6ecdba7.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) )
23:13:42 patD: so the real place we are heading is every student and staff member has a chat room*
23:14:36 brent: that sounds like a you-host-on-your-servers thing in the end, especially with privacy concerns
23:14:42 patD: looks like you left and came back in can you see the history?*
23:15:04 brent: yes I can see enough
23:15:15 patD: yes it is a “on our server” thing but it might be something that goes into your discussion of sales and marketing???
23:15:23 brent: I lost my cookies somehow. s(sounds like i barfed!)
23:15:40 brent: yes, that sort of thing is in our planned second phase
23:15:51 patD: something along the line of what we chatted about a week ago???
23:16:22 patD: when I asked if you guys were going to license the product and we had that exchange about trying to get Manila interested???
23:16:43 patD: btw I talked to Bryan Bell in Kern???
23:17:36 patD: and told him to look out for the e-mail but my guess is that he is swamped so I will look for an opp to actually get him into a chat while he and I talk about the design of some Manila work that he is doing for us???.
23:17:50 patD: i talked to him by phone day before yesterday???.
23:18:15 patD: and realized afterward that having a written transcript would have helped me keep him on task as a consultant*
23:18:56 patD: ques. #3?*
23:19:57 brent: actually, why don;t you give me your number right now and I’ll call you up. i
23:20:14 brent: might as well cover a couple of things
23:21:02 patD: gad from toronto that is a pricey call???
23:21:09 patD: 415-285-6185*
23:21:22 brent: not really, it costs me the same anywhere in north america
23:22:09 patD: cool - we’re not eating (whatever it is) for another 40 minutes*
23:30:34 brent: http://drupal.org
23:35:37 patD: http://www.thelowell.org/index1.html
00:12:12 brent: http://brentashley.manilasites.com/2001/07/26
00:13:44 brent: http://ashleys.megahuge.com
00:36:17 patD: http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/delaney/?page_id=67
00:43:04 patD: http://medweb5.bham.ac.uk/collaboration/